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Hardware => Cameca => Topic started by: Miss_Boron on December 10, 2020, 01:16:53 PM

Title: SXFive Tactis - bad totals
Post by: Miss_Boron on December 10, 2020, 01:16:53 PM
Hi,

We have a SXFive Tactis since one year, and it worked great until early November. Since then, we get bad totals for oxides wt. % for some minerals (olivine ~ 104%, plagioclase ~ 106 %), while other minerals are ok (pyroxene, garnet).
We have obviously tried to recalibrate, and to calibrate with different standards with no results.
We also have tried different crystal configuration, or spectro configuration, with no success.

Did anyone already encountered this problem? Any idea on how to fix that?

Thanks for your help.
Celine
Title: Re: SXFive Tactis - bad totals
Post by: Mike Jercinovic on December 10, 2020, 03:21:47 PM
Hi Celine, That's pretty weird!  I'm sure you've already tried this, but I would first try to setup a new quanti settings file from scratch.  I assume you are setting these as GeoSpecies, right?  You might try processing with a different species and see what you get, or running as oxide without a species and see how that goes.  If you have other things that are running okay with the same standards, etc., it seems species specific.  If you calibrate on a plag (Ca, Si, Ca anyway), then run that plag as an unknown, what happens? 
Title: Re: SXFive Tactis - bad totals
Post by: Miss_Boron on December 10, 2020, 07:19:21 PM
Hi Mike,

Thanks for your answer. Yes, we tried to do a new setting from scratch, it's what I called recalibration.
We don't use the "geo" mode, just the standard one. But it worked well for years doing so (on the old SX100, and until last month on the Tactis).
We calibrated on San Carlos olivine then re-run the olivine as unknown. The totals (oxide wt. %) were at 103%. And we did that with different calibrations, and with different setting files too.

Thanks
Celine
Title: Re: SXFive Tactis - bad totals
Post by: sem-geologist on December 12, 2020, 03:44:10 PM
Hi Celine,
While we have no Tactis, we are running SxFiveFE (alongside SX100), and as far as I know the spectrometers are the same, and part of electronics are the same. We had seen this like behavior many times, and it can have different causes. Devil in the details.
I am going to give this in some ordered list, albeit it can be argued to be very subjective order.

Generally to troubleshoot You need to know not only totals, but how higher/ lower than expected counts/concentration are per element basis. If all elements are too high/ or too low - that's clear - it is most probably the coating. If only second and subsequent elements (per spectrometer) gets higher concentration, and first measured elements gets ok, or a bit lower - that is insufficient current reduction and insufficient spot size. If behavior changes with time on all spectrometers - that external problem. If variations are observed on a single spectrometer - that is spectrometer problem.
Title: Re: SXFive Tactis - bad totals
Post by: theo_nt on December 14, 2020, 11:41:12 AM
Hi Celine,

it sounds you have a hardware problem with your spectrometer. Try to use the same setup  but with another spectrometer with TAP (if you have one) to see if you have the same problem.

all the best
Theo
Title: Re: SXFive Tactis - bad totals
Post by: jon_wade on January 07, 2021, 03:52:58 PM
Celine - did you ever sort this?  if not, look back at old calibrations and see if the count rate has dropped off.  That some minerals come out 'ok' and others *high* suggests someone has  stuck a grubby finger on the standard block :)