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General EPMA => EPMA (and SEM) Standard Materials => Topic started by: SteveSeddio on September 21, 2023, 07:30:32 AM

Title: Standard Samples from Micro to Nano
Post by: SteveSeddio on September 21, 2023, 07:30:32 AM
Hi friends,

Does anyone have any experience using standards from the supplier Micro to Nano?
https://www.microtonano.com/EM-Tec-CXS-calibration-and-reference-standards-for-EDS-WDS-and-BSD.php (https://www.microtonano.com/EM-Tec-CXS-calibration-and-reference-standards-for-EDS-WDS-and-BSD.php)

A colleague is considering them.

Thanks,
-Steve
Title: Re: Standard Samples from Micro to Nano
Post by: Probeman on September 21, 2023, 02:28:55 PM
Quote from: SteveSeddio on September 21, 2023, 07:30:32 AM
Hi friends,

Does anyone have any experience using standards from the supplier Micro to Nano?
https://www.microtonano.com/EM-Tec-CXS-calibration-and-reference-standards-for-EDS-WDS-and-BSD.php (https://www.microtonano.com/EM-Tec-CXS-calibration-and-reference-standards-for-EDS-WDS-and-BSD.php)

A colleague is considering them.

Thanks,
-Steve

Well, I for one have a problem with these "standard" materials, because first of all many of these so called "standards" are not actually standards, they are simply various materials that someone has obtained from various sources by various means. I quote from their web site:

QuoteThe stoichiometric compositions of these natural minerals are nominal; other impurities or small inclusions may be present. Intended as reference standard for quantitative EDS and WDS micro-analysis applications.

So they are "nominal compositions" but intended as "reference standard [sic] for quantitative EDS and WDS micro-analysis applications"?  I can't think of any statement more self contradictory.    >:(
Title: Re: Standard Samples from Micro to Nano
Post by: SteveSeddio on September 27, 2023, 07:05:49 AM
Thanks for the commentary, Probeman!
Title: Re: Standard Samples from Micro to Nano
Post by: Nicholas Ritchie on September 27, 2023, 08:08:57 AM
I've been collecting many "pure element" spectra for metrological purposes.  It is surprising to me how many materials sold to me as "pure elements" have a percent or two (or sometimes 20%) of another element.  We don't need six nines pure elements but 3 or 4 would be appreciated. :-)
Title: Re: Standard Samples from Micro to Nano
Post by: Probeman on September 27, 2023, 08:38:20 AM
Quote from: Nicholas Ritchie on September 27, 2023, 08:08:57 AM
I've been collecting many "pure element" spectra for metrological purposes.  It is surprising to me how many materials sold to me as "pure elements" have a percent or two (or sometimes 20%) of another element.  We don't need six nines pure elements but 3 or 4 would be appreciated. :-)

I'm sure you saw the figure from Fournelle showing 3 wt% Fe in what was supposed pure Rh from a commercial "standards" provider?  The figure is in the presentation attached to this post:

https://smf.probesoftware.com/index.php?topic=1535.msg11883#msg11883
Title: Re: Standard Samples from Micro to Nano
Post by: crystalgrower on September 27, 2023, 01:37:23 PM
No certificates attached to product lists

Grains look small relative to aperture of FC in photos

Their REE materials include some that have always come up very inhomogeneous

No word on how they make their FC

Do I need to say more?



Title: Re: Standard Samples from Micro to Nano
Post by: Probeman on October 03, 2023, 08:54:16 AM
Speaking of elemental standard purity, I found this paper from 2009:

"Purity determination as needed for the realisation of primary standards for elemental determination: status of international comparability"

See attached for pdf.